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		<title>By: Templar</title>
		<link>http://queenofspainblog.com/2006/10/25/lets-just-say/comment-page-1/#comment-6464</link>
		<dc:creator>Templar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being from England I can&#039;t see what all the fuss ia about....so the poor girl wants to come dressed as an owl....big deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being from England I can&#8217;t see what all the fuss ia about&#8230;.so the poor girl wants to come dressed as an owl&#8230;.big deal.</p>
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		<title>By: canoe chick</title>
		<link>http://queenofspainblog.com/2006/10/25/lets-just-say/comment-page-1/#comment-6457</link>
		<dc:creator>canoe chick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your Majesty,
I am confused. You have a 14 year old son????
And what exactly is this event that you and OH have had such a fascinating exchange about? I go away for 5 days, and I am so out of the loop...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your Majesty,<br />
I am confused. You have a 14 year old son????<br />
And what exactly is this event that you and OH have had such a fascinating exchange about? I go away for 5 days, and I am so out of the loop&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Devra</title>
		<link>http://queenofspainblog.com/2006/10/25/lets-just-say/comment-page-1/#comment-6450</link>
		<dc:creator>Devra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being the mom of two sons, I think my first response would be to ask my son what he thinks of his girlfriend&#039;s costume choice.  I in turn would share with my son what my own opinion is of her choice, while also being aware that this is a girl my son cares for (and probably wants to touch in ways I dont&#039; even want to think about, but that is reality!) and making sure I am clear that while I disagree with her choice of costume, I am not dissing his girlfriend.

Then I would ask him if he would like to see Daddy&#039;s  co-worker, Dave, dressed as a Hooter&#039;s girl which was actually far more funny and clever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being the mom of two sons, I think my first response would be to ask my son what he thinks of his girlfriend&#8217;s costume choice.  I in turn would share with my son what my own opinion is of her choice, while also being aware that this is a girl my son cares for (and probably wants to touch in ways I dont&#8217; even want to think about, but that is reality!) and making sure I am clear that while I disagree with her choice of costume, I am not dissing his girlfriend.</p>
<p>Then I would ask him if he would like to see Daddy&#8217;s  co-worker, Dave, dressed as a Hooter&#8217;s girl which was actually far more funny and clever.</p>
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		<title>By: Observational Humorist</title>
		<link>http://queenofspainblog.com/2006/10/25/lets-just-say/comment-page-1/#comment-6389</link>
		<dc:creator>Observational Humorist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could choose to be respectful instead of patronizing.  I value my privacy and so I usually choose to post with a fake email address if one is required.  Nonetheless, I am now posting with my real email address.  Do you suppose you&#039;ll find it less taxing to treat me like an adult this time around?

On with it, then.

&quot;Defamation&quot; has a few definitions, but none of them apply when the person posting the photos makes it blindingly obvious that they have been digitally manipulated and do not represent reality.

You can spout shit as loudly as you please, I suppose, but why would you want to characterize yourself that way?

My complaint isn&#039;t with your public condemnation of the site in question; that guy opened himself up to it and you&#039;re not wrong for doing it.  Threatening legal action and mobilizing your friends to do the same is a different story.  

For what its worth, I don&#039;t like the way that idiot is abusing his own freedom of speech.  The photos of the kids aren&#039;t funny or clever.  The jokes are just mean, and there are plenty of alternatives to what he&#039;s doing.  But you should understand that the web is not a protected environment.  Information moves freely on the Internet, and not everybody is a good guy.

If you&#039;re really that concerned about the privacy and proper use of your photographs then find a way to publish them that requires some kind of authentication on the part of the user.  Punishing this one guy is not going to protect you from a thousand other people doing the same thing he did.  Take steps to protect yourself that are more meaningful than a spam campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could choose to be respectful instead of patronizing.  I value my privacy and so I usually choose to post with a fake email address if one is required.  Nonetheless, I am now posting with my real email address.  Do you suppose you&#8217;ll find it less taxing to treat me like an adult this time around?</p>
<p>On with it, then.</p>
<p>&#8220;Defamation&#8221; has a few definitions, but none of them apply when the person posting the photos makes it blindingly obvious that they have been digitally manipulated and do not represent reality.</p>
<p>You can spout shit as loudly as you please, I suppose, but why would you want to characterize yourself that way?</p>
<p>My complaint isn&#8217;t with your public condemnation of the site in question; that guy opened himself up to it and you&#8217;re not wrong for doing it.  Threatening legal action and mobilizing your friends to do the same is a different story.  </p>
<p>For what its worth, I don&#8217;t like the way that idiot is abusing his own freedom of speech.  The photos of the kids aren&#8217;t funny or clever.  The jokes are just mean, and there are plenty of alternatives to what he&#8217;s doing.  But you should understand that the web is not a protected environment.  Information moves freely on the Internet, and not everybody is a good guy.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re really that concerned about the privacy and proper use of your photographs then find a way to publish them that requires some kind of authentication on the part of the user.  Punishing this one guy is not going to protect you from a thousand other people doing the same thing he did.  Take steps to protect yourself that are more meaningful than a spam campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Queen of Spain</title>
		<link>http://queenofspainblog.com/2006/10/25/lets-just-say/comment-page-1/#comment-6388</link>
		<dc:creator>Queen of Spain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can talk copywrite all you want. I&#039;d like you to speak to the exploitation of children. 

Parents posting photos of their own kids for use on their blogs. Someone else using that same photo to then defame that child is ok? Hmmmm....

As for me being entitled to badger people and threaten legal action...you&#039;re damn right I&#039;m entitled. 

I can spout shit just as loudly as the person running that website. YOu can&#039;t possibily be ragging on my free speach yet defend the &quot;parody&quot; as you call it of these kids. 

And it would be easier to not be patronizing if your email were valid or you had a URL. I tend to treat anons as dicks, regardless. 

You need to understand. You&#039;re dealing with emotional mothers. Their KIDS got attacked. KIDS. 

Anyone attacks kids, legally, illegally or otherwise, and they are gunna get themselves a shitload of Moms ready to change the whole system over it. You&#039;re damn right I&#039;ll figure out a way to entitle myself to legislate for everyone. For the protection of my kids, hell yeah. 

And whomever is behind this site needs to realize that. These Moms are not going to just walk away. Their kids got dragged into this. Rag on me all you want. Rag on the other Mom blogs. Start fucking with the kids, it&#039;s a whole new ballgame. 

I do know that when confronted. I got involved because I know my kids could be next. That&#039;s why about 300 other women got involved. Whey email campaigns, legal advice, and everything else is being sought. We&#039;ve found a community through blogging and we&#039;re not going to let some idiot take the info and photos we share of our kids and manipulate it. 

I&#039;m pretty liberal. I&#039;m pretty open minded. And I don&#039;t know why I feel I need to tell you all this...but I find some of the humor on the site funny. But the kids are not fair game. I&#039;ll fight like hell to make sure the kids are not fair game. End of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can talk copywrite all you want. I&#8217;d like you to speak to the exploitation of children. </p>
<p>Parents posting photos of their own kids for use on their blogs. Someone else using that same photo to then defame that child is ok? Hmmmm&#8230;.</p>
<p>As for me being entitled to badger people and threaten legal action&#8230;you&#8217;re damn right I&#8217;m entitled. </p>
<p>I can spout shit just as loudly as the person running that website. YOu can&#8217;t possibily be ragging on my free speach yet defend the &#8220;parody&#8221; as you call it of these kids. </p>
<p>And it would be easier to not be patronizing if your email were valid or you had a URL. I tend to treat anons as dicks, regardless. </p>
<p>You need to understand. You&#8217;re dealing with emotional mothers. Their KIDS got attacked. KIDS. </p>
<p>Anyone attacks kids, legally, illegally or otherwise, and they are gunna get themselves a shitload of Moms ready to change the whole system over it. You&#8217;re damn right I&#8217;ll figure out a way to entitle myself to legislate for everyone. For the protection of my kids, hell yeah. </p>
<p>And whomever is behind this site needs to realize that. These Moms are not going to just walk away. Their kids got dragged into this. Rag on me all you want. Rag on the other Mom blogs. Start fucking with the kids, it&#8217;s a whole new ballgame. </p>
<p>I do know that when confronted. I got involved because I know my kids could be next. That&#8217;s why about 300 other women got involved. Whey email campaigns, legal advice, and everything else is being sought. We&#8217;ve found a community through blogging and we&#8217;re not going to let some idiot take the info and photos we share of our kids and manipulate it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty liberal. I&#8217;m pretty open minded. And I don&#8217;t know why I feel I need to tell you all this&#8230;but I find some of the humor on the site funny. But the kids are not fair game. I&#8217;ll fight like hell to make sure the kids are not fair game. End of story.</p>
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		<title>By: Observational Humorist</title>
		<link>http://queenofspainblog.com/2006/10/25/lets-just-say/comment-page-1/#comment-6385</link>
		<dc:creator>Observational Humorist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact of the matter is that there is no debate here: copyright law in the United States protects the commercial value of property.  Pictures of your kids that you post on your blog usually don&#039;t have any commercial value.  Copyright violations are torts, not criminal offenses.  Flickr&#039;s terms of service are not legally binding to third parties under any circumstances.  

No matter how strongly you feel about a particular thing, you&#039;re not entitled to legislate for everyone else.  Not even when your kids are involved.  Sorry.  If this is a problem for you, consider running for public office.

I&#039;m neither the publisher of the web site you find so offensive nor the owner of the web hosting company.  I&#039;m just a guy who heard the story.

I don&#039;t think you&#039;re entitled to badger people and threaten them with legal action because you&#039;re angry that they did something you didn&#039;t like.  I&#039;d like to make my mark in the world by sticking up for people who don&#039;t deserve to be harassed.  For example, I would be sticking up for the kids in those pictures, but you and your friends are obviously already on it.

It sure would be nice if you could make your point without being patronizing and calling me &quot;dick.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact of the matter is that there is no debate here: copyright law in the United States protects the commercial value of property.  Pictures of your kids that you post on your blog usually don&#8217;t have any commercial value.  Copyright violations are torts, not criminal offenses.  Flickr&#8217;s terms of service are not legally binding to third parties under any circumstances.  </p>
<p>No matter how strongly you feel about a particular thing, you&#8217;re not entitled to legislate for everyone else.  Not even when your kids are involved.  Sorry.  If this is a problem for you, consider running for public office.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m neither the publisher of the web site you find so offensive nor the owner of the web hosting company.  I&#8217;m just a guy who heard the story.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re entitled to badger people and threaten them with legal action because you&#8217;re angry that they did something you didn&#8217;t like.  I&#8217;d like to make my mark in the world by sticking up for people who don&#8217;t deserve to be harassed.  For example, I would be sticking up for the kids in those pictures, but you and your friends are obviously already on it.</p>
<p>It sure would be nice if you could make your point without being patronizing and calling me &#8220;dick.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Queen of Spain</title>
		<link>http://queenofspainblog.com/2006/10/25/lets-just-say/comment-page-1/#comment-6384</link>
		<dc:creator>Queen of Spain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair use under who&#039;s law? I think that&#039;s a matter of debate. Flickr has terms of service. And legally speaking, their are also some very strict laws regarding children and the internet. 
You  might want to do some reading. 
I&#039;m all for poor judgement. I&#039;m all for poor taste. Hell, some of that stuff could be FUNNY as hell if it didn&#039;t involve the kids. 

Different laws for kids my dear. And I honestly think you need to really, really, really think about how badly you want to stand up for trashing and defaming children. Is that how you want to make your mark in the world? 

Go after the adults all you want. Keep after the kids and if the courts find it actually IS protected, then we&#039;ll work the change the laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair use under who&#8217;s law? I think that&#8217;s a matter of debate. Flickr has terms of service. And legally speaking, their are also some very strict laws regarding children and the internet.<br />
You  might want to do some reading.<br />
I&#8217;m all for poor judgement. I&#8217;m all for poor taste. Hell, some of that stuff could be FUNNY as hell if it didn&#8217;t involve the kids. </p>
<p>Different laws for kids my dear. And I honestly think you need to really, really, really think about how badly you want to stand up for trashing and defaming children. Is that how you want to make your mark in the world? </p>
<p>Go after the adults all you want. Keep after the kids and if the courts find it actually IS protected, then we&#8217;ll work the change the laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Observational Humorist</title>
		<link>http://queenofspainblog.com/2006/10/25/lets-just-say/comment-page-1/#comment-6383</link>
		<dc:creator>Observational Humorist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Writing inappropriate things on the photographs of others and reposting them on an ad-free blog might be in poor taste and judgement, but it is considered &quot;fair use&quot; under the law and it doesn&#039;t violate copyright.

Since you bring it up: did you ask permission to post the Hooters graphic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Writing inappropriate things on the photographs of others and reposting them on an ad-free blog might be in poor taste and judgement, but it is considered &#8220;fair use&#8221; under the law and it doesn&#8217;t violate copyright.</p>
<p>Since you bring it up: did you ask permission to post the Hooters graphic?</p>
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		<title>By: Queen of Spain</title>
		<link>http://queenofspainblog.com/2006/10/25/lets-just-say/comment-page-1/#comment-6382</link>
		<dc:creator>Queen of Spain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On second thought OH

If Hooters asked, I&#039;m sure I&#039;d be polite enough to take it down. Because that is how I roll. 

Dick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On second thought OH</p>
<p>If Hooters asked, I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;d be polite enough to take it down. Because that is how I roll. </p>
<p>Dick.</p>
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		<title>By: Queen of Spain</title>
		<link>http://queenofspainblog.com/2006/10/25/lets-just-say/comment-page-1/#comment-6381</link>
		<dc:creator>Queen of Spain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent point by the Observational Humorist. 

I wonder if I did check with Hooters first. 

Can you imagine if that Owl was actually a child? And I used it&#039;s photo not only without permission, but I wrote really horrible things about the child and even doctored a photo? 

Wow. I&#039;d really be in trouble then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent point by the Observational Humorist. </p>
<p>I wonder if I did check with Hooters first. </p>
<p>Can you imagine if that Owl was actually a child? And I used it&#8217;s photo not only without permission, but I wrote really horrible things about the child and even doctored a photo? </p>
<p>Wow. I&#8217;d really be in trouble then.</p>
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