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		<title>By: D-san</title>
		<link>http://queenofspainblog.com/2008/10/18/proposition-8-supporters-can-suckit/comment-page-6/#comment-69780</link>
		<dc:creator>D-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, Jeff, why would I not call you bigoted and homophobic when your position in this debate ultimately amounts to &quot;this group of people shouldn&#039;t get the same rights I do.&quot; You can&#039;t sugar coat it. I know you&#039;ve heard people compare this to blacks being able to marry whites and other similar rulings in American law, and the analogy is apt. When you strip away all the distracting language, that&#039;s what it boils down to. That is, unless I understood your position wrong and you&#039;re not a Christian against gay marriage. But if you are, you&#039;ve got to realize how problematic your position is. If they don&#039;t have the right to marry because of God&#039;s law, well, why are they allowed to do anything? Why don&#039;t we just round up all the homosexuals and deport them? You say God doesn&#039;t tell you to go that far? I&#039;m sorry to say it, but he is. So don&#039;t subscribe to this religious and political belief unless you&#039;re willing to carry it to its logical conclusion. I&#039;m amused at how few Christians I see practicing their faith truly, otherwise they&#039;d be preventing every gay marriage they say by physical force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Jeff, why would I not call you bigoted and homophobic when your position in this debate ultimately amounts to &#8220;this group of people shouldn&#8217;t get the same rights I do.&#8221; You can&#8217;t sugar coat it. I know you&#8217;ve heard people compare this to blacks being able to marry whites and other similar rulings in American law, and the analogy is apt. When you strip away all the distracting language, that&#8217;s what it boils down to. That is, unless I understood your position wrong and you&#8217;re not a Christian against gay marriage. But if you are, you&#8217;ve got to realize how problematic your position is. If they don&#8217;t have the right to marry because of God&#8217;s law, well, why are they allowed to do anything? Why don&#8217;t we just round up all the homosexuals and deport them? You say God doesn&#8217;t tell you to go that far? I&#8217;m sorry to say it, but he is. So don&#8217;t subscribe to this religious and political belief unless you&#8217;re willing to carry it to its logical conclusion. I&#8217;m amused at how few Christians I see practicing their faith truly, otherwise they&#8217;d be preventing every gay marriage they say by physical force.</p>
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		<title>By: D-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>D-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome read. I understand the hesitancy associated with lashing out against theocratic right-wingers because I&#039;m always measuring my words in this debate before I say them. I mean, in your rebuttal to all the ridiculous anti-gay marriage talking points, you can&#039;t throw all those flimsy facts and trends into your argument. Further, you can&#039;t get angry at them for this outrage because then they cleverly turn the tables on you and pull out the term &quot;bigoted&quot; and &quot;hate monger.&quot; But that attitude is fast fading with me. Christianity (and Middle-Eastern, monotheistic influences in general like Judaism and Islam) has been calling the shots for centuries. Millenia, even. All sorts of evils and injustices have been forced upon the world in the name of God, and this is something religious apologists always try to wiggle out of.

&quot;But atheist dictators have done just as much to harm humanity, if not more!&quot; they&#039;ll say. Yeaaaaah, that &quot;fact&quot; flies in Southern homeschooling families. When we look at history, it&#039;s clear that God trumps man. So today, in what I always imagined as a kid to be an enlightened age, it ultimately amounts to enough is enough. I&#039;m tired of Christian dogma playing any role in our laws, and I&#039;m ready to push back. I say you hold the line and remember your own words - when we&#039;re looking back at this period of American history in 50 years, do you want to be compared to the Christians during the Civil Rights era who said, &quot;Not my race, not my problem?&quot;

I also didn&#039;t intend to bring atheism up as any sort of panacea to religious dogma in constitutional law - I&#039;m just of the opinion that the fewer infallible skyfathers you try to please, the more equal your law and country becomes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome read. I understand the hesitancy associated with lashing out against theocratic right-wingers because I&#8217;m always measuring my words in this debate before I say them. I mean, in your rebuttal to all the ridiculous anti-gay marriage talking points, you can&#8217;t throw all those flimsy facts and trends into your argument. Further, you can&#8217;t get angry at them for this outrage because then they cleverly turn the tables on you and pull out the term &#8220;bigoted&#8221; and &#8220;hate monger.&#8221; But that attitude is fast fading with me. Christianity (and Middle-Eastern, monotheistic influences in general like Judaism and Islam) has been calling the shots for centuries. Millenia, even. All sorts of evils and injustices have been forced upon the world in the name of God, and this is something religious apologists always try to wiggle out of.</p>
<p>&#8220;But atheist dictators have done just as much to harm humanity, if not more!&#8221; they&#8217;ll say. Yeaaaaah, that &#8220;fact&#8221; flies in Southern homeschooling families. When we look at history, it&#8217;s clear that God trumps man. So today, in what I always imagined as a kid to be an enlightened age, it ultimately amounts to enough is enough. I&#8217;m tired of Christian dogma playing any role in our laws, and I&#8217;m ready to push back. I say you hold the line and remember your own words &#8211; when we&#8217;re looking back at this period of American history in 50 years, do you want to be compared to the Christians during the Civil Rights era who said, &#8220;Not my race, not my problem?&#8221;</p>
<p>I also didn&#8217;t intend to bring atheism up as any sort of panacea to religious dogma in constitutional law &#8211; I&#8217;m just of the opinion that the fewer infallible skyfathers you try to please, the more equal your law and country becomes.</p>
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		<title>By: madeline</title>
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		<dc:creator>madeline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t have prejudice about gays, its just wrong.</description>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just want to say I completely agree with you,Queen. I live in the deep South and it is so hard to meet women who speak their mind about things like this,unless of course they think like the majority.At least in my town.Thanks for having the cojones to think and speak.You&#039;re an inspiration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just want to say I completely agree with you,Queen. I live in the deep South and it is so hard to meet women who speak their mind about things like this,unless of course they think like the majority.At least in my town.Thanks for having the cojones to think and speak.You&#8217;re an inspiration.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] spin. I talk about my Weapons Grade hate for Sarah Palin, my feeling on the war in Afghanistan, my anger over Prop 8, my first person battle with our health care system. My undying love for my hometown of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect, Queen of Spain, what I see here is you using religion as a legitimate reason for your own beliefs. I’m not here trying to tell you that you’re not allowed to believe as you will, but please don’t call me “bigoted, homophobic, [and] evil” for believing differently. That, to me, sounds &lt;i&gt;much &lt;/i&gt;more bigoted than anything I’ve heard from anyone that supported (and continues to support) Proposition 8.

Thanks for sharing your 2¢; hopefully you’ll respect mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, Queen of Spain, what I see here is you using religion as a legitimate reason for your own beliefs. I’m not here trying to tell you that you’re not allowed to believe as you will, but please don’t call me “bigoted, homophobic, [and] evil” for believing differently. That, to me, sounds <i>much </i>more bigoted than anything I’ve heard from anyone that supported (and continues to support) Proposition 8.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your 2¢; hopefully you’ll respect mine.</p>
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		<title>By: squatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>squatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://ourheartsarewithyou.wordpress.com/

trying to show that not all churches are bigots</description>
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<p>trying to show that not all churches are bigots</p>
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		<title>By: Queen of Spain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Queen of Spain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nemo. 

I stand by my emotions. I stand by what I said. I stand by the fact that this election and the issues in this election had everyone screaming and yelling. 

I have not changed how I feel about the subject. I would change how I said it outloud. The message would remain the same. 

I think there are those truly using religion as a legitimate reason for THEIR OWN beliefs and I think there are those truly using it for evil. Bigoted, homophobic, evil. 

Oh, and next time. Feel free to leave your blog link or an email, as is common place when commenting. 

I&#039;m sorry, who&#039;s the pussy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nemo. </p>
<p>I stand by my emotions. I stand by what I said. I stand by the fact that this election and the issues in this election had everyone screaming and yelling. </p>
<p>I have not changed how I feel about the subject. I would change how I said it outloud. The message would remain the same. </p>
<p>I think there are those truly using religion as a legitimate reason for THEIR OWN beliefs and I think there are those truly using it for evil. Bigoted, homophobic, evil. </p>
<p>Oh, and next time. Feel free to leave your blog link or an email, as is common place when commenting. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, who&#8217;s the pussy?</p>
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		<title>By: Nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 08:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a pussy. First, you dare to go ahead and say all that shit with hatred and anger with your justifications, and then go on with an apologetic voice and say &quot;oops, this may cause more damage than good.&quot; Rather more damage than you intended to be portrait in your mascaraing of  the color of the eye you are looking at this with. Please if you are going to hate, especially on the mormons dont be an asshole and say im sorry afterwords, as though there were no reprecautions to what you said earlier. So if you can be as ignorant as to rant and post, please stand to your true feelings, or shit in your pants like the baby you seem to want to be with your contradictory views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a pussy. First, you dare to go ahead and say all that shit with hatred and anger with your justifications, and then go on with an apologetic voice and say &#8220;oops, this may cause more damage than good.&#8221; Rather more damage than you intended to be portrait in your mascaraing of  the color of the eye you are looking at this with. Please if you are going to hate, especially on the mormons dont be an asshole and say im sorry afterwords, as though there were no reprecautions to what you said earlier. So if you can be as ignorant as to rant and post, please stand to your true feelings, or shit in your pants like the baby you seem to want to be with your contradictory views.</p>
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		<title>By: Myrshena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myrshena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Cathy in Miami F-L-A 11.14.08 at 7:34 pm 

&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;That is wrong. Does the government now force Jewish temples to marry Catholics? How about Baptists being held at gunpoint to marry satanists? If the church’s charter or Articles of Faith express a belief, then the government has to abide by it. The only time the government can get involved and have any say in a church, is if it gives them an economic benefit, like subsidized school lunches for a christain school. This same principle is also applied to religious adoption agencies as well. Now several churches may want you to believe that we will march right into their doors and demand these things, but I seriously doubt that we could if we wanted to. As stated before, there are plenty of gay friendly churches/venues that will allow us to marry there.&lt;/i&gt;

No, not wrong.  There have already been cases where homosexuals have sued because they were denied use of a church building that is leased out for heterosexuals.  There have already been Christian adoption agencies close their doors because the state in which they operate now recognizes gay marriage and they were told they must give gay couples equal consideration. 


The stunt pulled a couple weeks ago by gay activists invading a church in Michigan during services and acting like utter fools does not help your cause one bit. And they &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;were&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; marching right into the doors and disrupting services, yelling &quot;Jesus was gay&quot;, shouting other obscenities and blasphemies, throwing condoms, simulating sodomy, and so on.  So your claim that homosexuals won&#039;t do that is quite mistaken.

Once the activists left the church, the members then sat down and prayed for them.  {sarcasm}What horrid Christians they are!{/sarcasm}

&lt;i&gt;Are we anti-government? &lt;/i&gt;
As a conservative libertarian, I am not anti-government, I am pro small government.

&lt;i&gt;*buzzz* Wrong answer, but thanks for trying. Myrshena, you need to read the whole Wikipedia article before you choose what you want. Yes the term “Seperation of Church and State” was written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists. However, the First Amendment states: ” Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”&lt;/i&gt;

Wikipedia?  Get a grip.  Your snotty attempt at superior intelligence fails, especially since your spelling is atrocious and you have not yet mastered the Spell Check function.

The part of the amendment that addresses religion basically means that there will not be any government established church such as the Church of England and that people may worship as they wish.

&lt;i&gt;Uhhh… earlier you said we don’t have a seperation of church and… oh never mind. Read the Wikipedia arcticle again,&lt;/i&gt;

No, I said there is nothing in the Constitution about separation of church and state.  Your feeble attempts at twisting my words fails as well. I think you are the one who needs to read again what I actually wrote.

&lt;i&gt;I am too, like the fact that I cannot marry the woman I love, but my marriage to a man who turned into a nightmare sailed right through? Like the fact that a few hateful people want to impose their outdated, anti-christain, (yes, anti christain!) views on the public, and we are to just stand by meekly while that happens. Yup those same double standards?&lt;/i&gt;


Believing homosexuality is a sin is not anti-Christian.  Treating homosexuals hatefully is.  As Christians we are to hate the sin, not the sinner.  And yes Yeshua would have be forgiving – for those who go forth and sin no more, not to those who continue to live a life of sin.


&lt;i&gt;Gay marriage does not interfere with church matters. If you look into all aspects, both pro and con, then you will see better how your argument stands. Lets all look at this with a clear head and heart. Research before you judge, and don’t condemn those that cannot reason. We need to find an amicable way. But only through the flow of free thought and discussion will this take place.&lt;/i&gt;

I have done quite a bit of research, actually and obviously more than you.  I am more aware of what is being pushed and what isn&#039;t.   Just because you do not agree with my conclusions and are unaware of what people pushing the homosexual agenda actually do does not mean I didn’t do any research.

Since you are a homosexual, I suggest you actually research what is being done and said in your name. Any kind of extremist is counterproductive, whether they be Christian or homosexual. Condemn the extremists who make it harder for you. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Cathy in Miami F-L-A 11.14.08 at 7:34 pm </p>
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<i>That is wrong. Does the government now force Jewish temples to marry Catholics? How about Baptists being held at gunpoint to marry satanists? If the church’s charter or Articles of Faith express a belief, then the government has to abide by it. The only time the government can get involved and have any say in a church, is if it gives them an economic benefit, like subsidized school lunches for a christain school. This same principle is also applied to religious adoption agencies as well. Now several churches may want you to believe that we will march right into their doors and demand these things, but I seriously doubt that we could if we wanted to. As stated before, there are plenty of gay friendly churches/venues that will allow us to marry there.</i></p>
<p>No, not wrong.  There have already been cases where homosexuals have sued because they were denied use of a church building that is leased out for heterosexuals.  There have already been Christian adoption agencies close their doors because the state in which they operate now recognizes gay marriage and they were told they must give gay couples equal consideration. </p>
<p>The stunt pulled a couple weeks ago by gay activists invading a church in Michigan during services and acting like utter fools does not help your cause one bit. And they <i><b>were</b></i> marching right into the doors and disrupting services, yelling &#8220;Jesus was gay&#8221;, shouting other obscenities and blasphemies, throwing condoms, simulating sodomy, and so on.  So your claim that homosexuals won&#8217;t do that is quite mistaken.</p>
<p>Once the activists left the church, the members then sat down and prayed for them.  {sarcasm}What horrid Christians they are!{/sarcasm}</p>
<p><i>Are we anti-government? </i><br />
As a conservative libertarian, I am not anti-government, I am pro small government.</p>
<p><i>*buzzz* Wrong answer, but thanks for trying. Myrshena, you need to read the whole Wikipedia article before you choose what you want. Yes the term “Seperation of Church and State” was written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists. However, the First Amendment states: ” Amendment I<br />
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”</i></p>
<p>Wikipedia?  Get a grip.  Your snotty attempt at superior intelligence fails, especially since your spelling is atrocious and you have not yet mastered the Spell Check function.</p>
<p>The part of the amendment that addresses religion basically means that there will not be any government established church such as the Church of England and that people may worship as they wish.</p>
<p><i>Uhhh… earlier you said we don’t have a seperation of church and… oh never mind. Read the Wikipedia arcticle again,</i></p>
<p>No, I said there is nothing in the Constitution about separation of church and state.  Your feeble attempts at twisting my words fails as well. I think you are the one who needs to read again what I actually wrote.</p>
<p><i>I am too, like the fact that I cannot marry the woman I love, but my marriage to a man who turned into a nightmare sailed right through? Like the fact that a few hateful people want to impose their outdated, anti-christain, (yes, anti christain!) views on the public, and we are to just stand by meekly while that happens. Yup those same double standards?</i></p>
<p>Believing homosexuality is a sin is not anti-Christian.  Treating homosexuals hatefully is.  As Christians we are to hate the sin, not the sinner.  And yes Yeshua would have be forgiving – for those who go forth and sin no more, not to those who continue to live a life of sin.</p>
<p><i>Gay marriage does not interfere with church matters. If you look into all aspects, both pro and con, then you will see better how your argument stands. Lets all look at this with a clear head and heart. Research before you judge, and don’t condemn those that cannot reason. We need to find an amicable way. But only through the flow of free thought and discussion will this take place.</i></p>
<p>I have done quite a bit of research, actually and obviously more than you.  I am more aware of what is being pushed and what isn&#8217;t.   Just because you do not agree with my conclusions and are unaware of what people pushing the homosexual agenda actually do does not mean I didn’t do any research.</p>
<p>Since you are a homosexual, I suggest you actually research what is being done and said in your name. Any kind of extremist is counterproductive, whether they be Christian or homosexual. Condemn the extremists who make it harder for you.</p>
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